funny
08-07 05:11 PM
since a lot of people are debating on this issue and a lot are researching on it ( i know atleast 2 people are actively researching on this topic :D). Does any one know how can i find the status of my PD porting. My lawyer sent the request in June after 3-4 days a say LUD on my 485/140/EAD/AP. I filed my 485 on July 2nd 2007 with a ND of August 17 2007. My EB3 PD is oct 2003 and my EB2 PD is July 2006. Do you guys think the LUD was because USCIS has Ported/interfiled my PD, Is there a chance for the Green in next 2 months?
I think the people who are trying to file the Lawsuit must be the most knowledegable people about this issue, Can you guys provide some +ve response for a change.:D
I think the people who are trying to file the Lawsuit must be the most knowledegable people about this issue, Can you guys provide some +ve response for a change.:D
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pnjbindia
08-21 11:32 AM
guys,
With the new visa spill-over process, where do you think EB3_ROW will be in the October 08 bulletin?
With the new visa spill-over process, where do you think EB3_ROW will be in the October 08 bulletin?
ysnraju
06-20 11:51 PM
Yes!! You can work now it self. It is legal under some circumstances please see Murthy website with AC21 FAQ :http://www.murthy.com/news/UDac21qa.html
Question 2 : I lost my job before the 180-day period. Can I still use portability? TOP
Quite possibly, provided the I-485 remains in pending (unadjudicated) status for at least 180 days. It is the I-485 processing time that is important, not when the beneficiary changes positions. This is because the "green card" (GC) is based upon a future job offer. The person is not required to have worked for the GC-sponsoring employer prior to filing or obtaining the GC. Accordingly, it appears the AC21 law did not intend to change the prior law, which only requires a future job offer with respect to the GC sponsorship in employment-based cases. Please refer to the disclaimer at the end of this page, since, at the time of this writing, the regulations have not been published.
Question 3 : I never worked for my sponsoring employer. It was a future job offer. Can I use AC21 portability? TOP
Yes, under the same circumstances as Question 2.
Question 2 : I lost my job before the 180-day period. Can I still use portability? TOP
Quite possibly, provided the I-485 remains in pending (unadjudicated) status for at least 180 days. It is the I-485 processing time that is important, not when the beneficiary changes positions. This is because the "green card" (GC) is based upon a future job offer. The person is not required to have worked for the GC-sponsoring employer prior to filing or obtaining the GC. Accordingly, it appears the AC21 law did not intend to change the prior law, which only requires a future job offer with respect to the GC sponsorship in employment-based cases. Please refer to the disclaimer at the end of this page, since, at the time of this writing, the regulations have not been published.
Question 3 : I never worked for my sponsoring employer. It was a future job offer. Can I use AC21 portability? TOP
Yes, under the same circumstances as Question 2.
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brshankar
08-07 10:16 AM
I am no Gandhi and don't want to be one. I am just a common man trying to make my ends meet. Only thing I know is that if you come before me in the line I am affected. It is not a DMV line where every one will get their License, it is a ration line where the items are limited.
Call it selfish call it any thing else but these are the facts after being in the USA for last 12 years and two different labors.
You are correct this is a selfish world. I support you. You are most welcome to go ahead with the lawsuit. I am EB3 and been here for 10 years and have no intention of porting to EB2. I will be most happy to see you get your GC.
May be I am being selfish too because I dont want any EB3 to jump up the line before me. :D
"76% of the people oppose this initiate, this is something to feel positive about". This shows that we are still united.
Call it selfish call it any thing else but these are the facts after being in the USA for last 12 years and two different labors.
You are correct this is a selfish world. I support you. You are most welcome to go ahead with the lawsuit. I am EB3 and been here for 10 years and have no intention of porting to EB2. I will be most happy to see you get your GC.
May be I am being selfish too because I dont want any EB3 to jump up the line before me. :D
"76% of the people oppose this initiate, this is something to feel positive about". This shows that we are still united.
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ag11
09-18 09:46 AM
Hi ag11,
I got the same approval notice. But online status showing as Card Production Ordered. What does it say for you? Do you see any difference in the status between you and your wife?
My on line status says the following:
"Post Decision Activity
On September 10, 2010, we mailed you a notice that we have approved this I485 APPLICATION TO REGISTER PERMANENT RESIDENCE OR TO ADJUST STATUS. Please follow any instructions on the notice. If you move before you receive the notice, call customer service at 1-800-375-5283.
For approved applications/petitions, post-decision activity may include USCIS sending notification of the approved application/petition to the National Visa Center or the Department of State. For denied applications/petitions, post-decision activity may include the processing of an appeal and/or motions to reopen or reconsider and revocations
".
There has been no other status change on my case.
My wife had 3 status changes: 1st CPO on 09/09, 2nd change on 09/10: "we mailed you a notice that we had registered this customer's new permanent resident" and 3rd change on 09/15 "we mailed you a notice that we have approved this I485 APPLICATION TO REGISTER PERMANENT RESIDENCE OR TO ADJUST STATUS" same as the one I have above. She received physical card and Welcome letter.
Looks like my case is still pending and not competely approved till I get the biometrics done. In your case if it says card production, means you will more than likely not need any biometrics and should receive the card soon.
The order of the updates do not seem to have a consistent sequence and is confusing
I got the same approval notice. But online status showing as Card Production Ordered. What does it say for you? Do you see any difference in the status between you and your wife?
My on line status says the following:
"Post Decision Activity
On September 10, 2010, we mailed you a notice that we have approved this I485 APPLICATION TO REGISTER PERMANENT RESIDENCE OR TO ADJUST STATUS. Please follow any instructions on the notice. If you move before you receive the notice, call customer service at 1-800-375-5283.
For approved applications/petitions, post-decision activity may include USCIS sending notification of the approved application/petition to the National Visa Center or the Department of State. For denied applications/petitions, post-decision activity may include the processing of an appeal and/or motions to reopen or reconsider and revocations
".
There has been no other status change on my case.
My wife had 3 status changes: 1st CPO on 09/09, 2nd change on 09/10: "we mailed you a notice that we had registered this customer's new permanent resident" and 3rd change on 09/15 "we mailed you a notice that we have approved this I485 APPLICATION TO REGISTER PERMANENT RESIDENCE OR TO ADJUST STATUS" same as the one I have above. She received physical card and Welcome letter.
Looks like my case is still pending and not competely approved till I get the biometrics done. In your case if it says card production, means you will more than likely not need any biometrics and should receive the card soon.
The order of the updates do not seem to have a consistent sequence and is confusing
amsgc
06-27 10:40 PM
What is the correct adress to send the I485 at nebraka center via fedex
and how to assemble the i 485 and 765 packet
Sorry, I did not see the Fedex part of your question, but here is what I have found from experience:
I had to send some tax related documents to the IRS earlier this year. And I went to UPS. They said that they themselves do not deliver to P.O. Boxes, but take the help of the USPS to get the job done.
So, I went to the post office, sent it via the one where they give you a tracking number, and it worked out fine, and cheaper. I intend to do the same this time.
Regarding the arrangement of documents in the packet, I would refer you to:
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=ff053d146a7ee010VgnVCM1000000ecd190aRCR D&vgnextchannel=fe529c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1 RCRD
Someone posted that link earlier - i just saved it.
and how to assemble the i 485 and 765 packet
Sorry, I did not see the Fedex part of your question, but here is what I have found from experience:
I had to send some tax related documents to the IRS earlier this year. And I went to UPS. They said that they themselves do not deliver to P.O. Boxes, but take the help of the USPS to get the job done.
So, I went to the post office, sent it via the one where they give you a tracking number, and it worked out fine, and cheaper. I intend to do the same this time.
Regarding the arrangement of documents in the packet, I would refer you to:
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=ff053d146a7ee010VgnVCM1000000ecd190aRCR D&vgnextchannel=fe529c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1 RCRD
Someone posted that link earlier - i just saved it.
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like_watching_paint_dry
06-13 08:52 AM
Of course yes its for our interest BUT don't forget that its against a violation. Tomorrow if the same organization brings resources in H-1B/EAD/GC/Citizenship we are not going to complain about it ... because its within whats allowed by the law, I think thats the purpose of having rules ... to have a fair playing ground ... think abt the havoc/chaos these companies could create by bringing people without any visa (illegally across borders) and talk about 'closing the doors and me not brought up that way', do you think that anyone including you would support that???. Here the purpose of L-1B visa is misused and blindly violated, so lets move in the right direction, we are not asking all L-1B visas to be banned BUT to investigate the abusal of that visa category and we are just pointing out the incidents where we think its getting violated. Lets see who is on right/wrong side. We'll leave the decision part to ICE/USCIS/Other agencies involved.
I think you are doing the right thing here. My question .. what are the typical signs you need to watch out for to determine L1 violations are happening? How do you collect information / evidence that ICE or USCIS could find helpful and act upon?
I think you are doing the right thing here. My question .. what are the typical signs you need to watch out for to determine L1 violations are happening? How do you collect information / evidence that ICE or USCIS could find helpful and act upon?
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ryan
03-30 05:02 PM
But the visa bulletin has it's own brains. - I like this dude !
*its
Sorry couldnt' help it.
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Sorry couldnt' help it.
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nixstor
07-10 07:58 PM
Guys, Paula John now is going to talk about our issue, stay tuned..........
Is she done?
Is she done?
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wellwishergc
07-10 10:47 AM
I understand each and every part of that DOS statement.
Peace! Relax! Let's wait and watch!
What part of DOS statement
"All numbers available to these categories under the FY-2007 annual numerical limitation have been made available. "
do you not understand ?
2007 quota is used up. We need to wait until OCT for 2008 quota. :(
Peace! Relax! Let's wait and watch!
What part of DOS statement
"All numbers available to these categories under the FY-2007 annual numerical limitation have been made available. "
do you not understand ?
2007 quota is used up. We need to wait until OCT for 2008 quota. :(
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rodnyb
03-31 01:08 PM
Very well said.
1. DOS has to move fast in May to test if there are hidden demand (ppl who missed 07/2007 filing, porting, dependent filing). Those new filing cannot get be approved before October 2011. So they can move up to Nov/Dec 2006 safely in May. Also DOS/CIS, who communicate with each other for sure, will know they should process those pre-adjudicated cased first to clear the inventory.
2. In June, July, August, they could be cautious but still move ahead up to March 2007.
3. September is critical, as that time, if DOS doesn't want to waste any quota, (100% CIS cannot approve any cased filed in that month), they have to move to a point to get all quota used. Based on 12K/half year, or 12K/year from EB1, say 20K be safe this year from EB1. 7K from EB2 ROW as last year, 8K from EB3, 0 from FB (EB2 get only 10k/4 last year as 10K FB is divided by Eb1/2/3/4), and normal 2.8K for EB2 I/C each (6K total), there are total 41K possibly for EB2 I/C.
4. Porting (6K this year), New filing (ppl who missed 07/07 with PD before 07/07), could have a negative efffect
5. The inventory for EB2 I/C is about 34K before 07/2007 (based on DOS October/2010 and CIS inventory)
6. This is very close. Will DOS move beyond 07/2007 a little to allow new filings (those won't get approved in Sept) and also make CIS easier to clear all 07/2007? This will be a judgement call. I am 50/50 on that.
7. There are many factors that will play in the scenario.. But I am sure EB2 I/C 09/2011 PD will be pass
May 2007 100%
June 2007 80%
July 2007 60%
Sept 2007 30%
Nov 2007 10%
Dec 2007 or Current 0% (DOS/CIS learned the lesson)
Visa allocation chief mentioned in AILA comment that USCIS knows visa usage pattern. Which means that they know pending I 140 for EB1 in pipeline and they also know that average time to get approve new I 140 is X months ( 4 months ) so they know if person files in May 2011 chances are rare that he/she can get GC from 2011 quota.I am not saying is that applicant can't get it but when u look at I 485 complexity and add scrutinity on EB1 I 140 its more than 4 months to get GC from start to finish without any RFE.
That is why they are so confident to release quota now. which may bring date so much forward so that can attract new cases and move back dates to certain point in time. Specially this is how DOS does for all family based CP cases. When they think they have 10k visas coming they move dates to cover 15k out of which 12k may reply on time and they always have control to retrogress dates if they run out of visas.
Big question is how far they want to go and get new cases. If they don't go upto Mid 2008 in next 1 year , Eb2 will loose some visas to EB3 and dates for EB2 will be "C" , if they go with some calculated guess and usage pattern + buffer they should go well into early 2009 with in next 1 year.
1. DOS has to move fast in May to test if there are hidden demand (ppl who missed 07/2007 filing, porting, dependent filing). Those new filing cannot get be approved before October 2011. So they can move up to Nov/Dec 2006 safely in May. Also DOS/CIS, who communicate with each other for sure, will know they should process those pre-adjudicated cased first to clear the inventory.
2. In June, July, August, they could be cautious but still move ahead up to March 2007.
3. September is critical, as that time, if DOS doesn't want to waste any quota, (100% CIS cannot approve any cased filed in that month), they have to move to a point to get all quota used. Based on 12K/half year, or 12K/year from EB1, say 20K be safe this year from EB1. 7K from EB2 ROW as last year, 8K from EB3, 0 from FB (EB2 get only 10k/4 last year as 10K FB is divided by Eb1/2/3/4), and normal 2.8K for EB2 I/C each (6K total), there are total 41K possibly for EB2 I/C.
4. Porting (6K this year), New filing (ppl who missed 07/07 with PD before 07/07), could have a negative efffect
5. The inventory for EB2 I/C is about 34K before 07/2007 (based on DOS October/2010 and CIS inventory)
6. This is very close. Will DOS move beyond 07/2007 a little to allow new filings (those won't get approved in Sept) and also make CIS easier to clear all 07/2007? This will be a judgement call. I am 50/50 on that.
7. There are many factors that will play in the scenario.. But I am sure EB2 I/C 09/2011 PD will be pass
May 2007 100%
June 2007 80%
July 2007 60%
Sept 2007 30%
Nov 2007 10%
Dec 2007 or Current 0% (DOS/CIS learned the lesson)
Visa allocation chief mentioned in AILA comment that USCIS knows visa usage pattern. Which means that they know pending I 140 for EB1 in pipeline and they also know that average time to get approve new I 140 is X months ( 4 months ) so they know if person files in May 2011 chances are rare that he/she can get GC from 2011 quota.I am not saying is that applicant can't get it but when u look at I 485 complexity and add scrutinity on EB1 I 140 its more than 4 months to get GC from start to finish without any RFE.
That is why they are so confident to release quota now. which may bring date so much forward so that can attract new cases and move back dates to certain point in time. Specially this is how DOS does for all family based CP cases. When they think they have 10k visas coming they move dates to cover 15k out of which 12k may reply on time and they always have control to retrogress dates if they run out of visas.
Big question is how far they want to go and get new cases. If they don't go upto Mid 2008 in next 1 year , Eb2 will loose some visas to EB3 and dates for EB2 will be "C" , if they go with some calculated guess and usage pattern + buffer they should go well into early 2009 with in next 1 year.
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dwhuser
10-14 06:26 PM
I didn't get an email but got an sms from USCIS about the case status change to Decision. Here's the update :)
Decision
On October 13, 2009, we mailed you a notice that we had registered this customer's new permanent resident status. Please follow any instructions on the notice. Your new permanent resident card should be mailed within 60 days following this registration or after you complete any ADIT processing referred to in the welcome notice, whichever is later. If you move before receiving your card, please call our customer service center at 1-800-375-5283.
Does that mean an 'Approval'. Between we moved to AZ from FL this week and I'm sending my AR-11 and changed the address over the phone. Is there anything else I need to do ?
Decision
On October 13, 2009, we mailed you a notice that we had registered this customer's new permanent resident status. Please follow any instructions on the notice. Your new permanent resident card should be mailed within 60 days following this registration or after you complete any ADIT processing referred to in the welcome notice, whichever is later. If you move before receiving your card, please call our customer service center at 1-800-375-5283.
Does that mean an 'Approval'. Between we moved to AZ from FL this week and I'm sending my AR-11 and changed the address over the phone. Is there anything else I need to do ?
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godbless
01-18 03:02 PM
My attorney says that my h1 is still valid and I should file for my h1 extension and attach I 94 that I got with my previous h1 extension's approval notice.
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johnamit
06-25 07:58 AM
I have both I-94 attached to passport and also I-94 along with current I-797. I still confused which one to use?
Technicaly you should possess only one I-94. So when USCIS asks for a copy you should submit only the latest. If you submit extra copies you will create more confusion why you possess more than one I-94. My advice just send them the one that is valid and latest. USCIS can determine you live in this country legally from your records including ur passport, I-797, I-20 past EADS etc.
Technicaly you should possess only one I-94. So when USCIS asks for a copy you should submit only the latest. If you submit extra copies you will create more confusion why you possess more than one I-94. My advice just send them the one that is valid and latest. USCIS can determine you live in this country legally from your records including ur passport, I-797, I-20 past EADS etc.
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sbindval
06-22 03:39 PM
Me - EB2 Labor pending applied May6th 07.
My Wife - EB3 Labor and I140 approved (PD Dec 2006)
What should I do? Thanks in advance.
-S
My Wife - EB3 Labor and I140 approved (PD Dec 2006)
What should I do? Thanks in advance.
-S
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eb_retrogession
01-23 07:36 PM
Guys,
Have we contacted national newspapers New York Times,Washington Post ?
In effort to make legislators and people aware of legal immigration issues, we should take help of media.This would be most effective.
Hiring a lobbying firm to pursue our issues with legislators is a good idea but it should be accompanied with media awareness as well.This is money intensive project and it will take time to reach its target of 100k.We need some other channel of awareness open as well and we need to do that soon so that it has some effect on Feb bills.
People are not aware that we are going thru such long waits to get immigrate legally.This issue needs to be highlighted.
Lawmakers would listen to legal immigration issues if they read in leading newspapers NYT and Washington Post. These newspapers are very influential.
Java,
We are working on it. Media coverage isn't easy and immediate. They check us out, and take their time to research facts before even considering.
But the process has started.
If you know of any serious contacts that can help out, or have any suggestions about regional/local media pls send a note to info@immigrationVoice.org with "Media" as the subject, and it'll come to me
Thanks
Have we contacted national newspapers New York Times,Washington Post ?
In effort to make legislators and people aware of legal immigration issues, we should take help of media.This would be most effective.
Hiring a lobbying firm to pursue our issues with legislators is a good idea but it should be accompanied with media awareness as well.This is money intensive project and it will take time to reach its target of 100k.We need some other channel of awareness open as well and we need to do that soon so that it has some effect on Feb bills.
People are not aware that we are going thru such long waits to get immigrate legally.This issue needs to be highlighted.
Lawmakers would listen to legal immigration issues if they read in leading newspapers NYT and Washington Post. These newspapers are very influential.
Java,
We are working on it. Media coverage isn't easy and immediate. They check us out, and take their time to research facts before even considering.
But the process has started.
If you know of any serious contacts that can help out, or have any suggestions about regional/local media pls send a note to info@immigrationVoice.org with "Media" as the subject, and it'll come to me
Thanks
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hope_4_best
05-26 06:23 PM
Hi Friends,
I am in the process of filling I-485 form and got the following question, can you please help?
My stamped visa expired 1 year back and I am currently with H1B approval notice. In the 2nd page of I-485 form, under Part 3. Processing Information, I am wondering what I need to fill for the following columns.
1. Nonimmigrant visa number: Is this the EAC number of my current I797 or the visa number from my expired visa?. If it is from the expired visa, there are multiple numbers in the visa stamp, which one is the visa number?
2.Consulate where visa was issued: Is it the name of the consulate issued my last visa or Department?
3.Date visa isssued: Is this is the date of last visa issued or the approval date of my current I797
Thanks advance for all your valuable suggestions.
I am in the process of filling I-485 form and got the following question, can you please help?
My stamped visa expired 1 year back and I am currently with H1B approval notice. In the 2nd page of I-485 form, under Part 3. Processing Information, I am wondering what I need to fill for the following columns.
1. Nonimmigrant visa number: Is this the EAC number of my current I797 or the visa number from my expired visa?. If it is from the expired visa, there are multiple numbers in the visa stamp, which one is the visa number?
2.Consulate where visa was issued: Is it the name of the consulate issued my last visa or Department?
3.Date visa isssued: Is this is the date of last visa issued or the approval date of my current I797
Thanks advance for all your valuable suggestions.
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abhijitp
12-07 01:46 AM
Congratulations on getting GC.
I think the fact that you had same A# helped you despite multiple filings. There are cases of people where even though they have declared their second application, USCIS assigned them a second A# number.
Pls. Stick around in IV and help others with your knowledge.
I have received two A#s since I submitted a second set of AOS (first set had a number of omissions and I did not want to miss the boat).
I think there is no reason to lose sleep over this issue (actually I was told so by a renowned lawyer with whom I just did a consultation), and there is not much we can do anyway. Except... if possible we should send a letter to USCIS telling them about these two sets of applications and then asking them to choose the one which is approvable (again, I was told so by the same lawyer).
BTW canadian_dream: heartiest conrgatulations on your green card approval, your posts on the multiple filings issue have been very helpful.
I think the fact that you had same A# helped you despite multiple filings. There are cases of people where even though they have declared their second application, USCIS assigned them a second A# number.
Pls. Stick around in IV and help others with your knowledge.
I have received two A#s since I submitted a second set of AOS (first set had a number of omissions and I did not want to miss the boat).
I think there is no reason to lose sleep over this issue (actually I was told so by a renowned lawyer with whom I just did a consultation), and there is not much we can do anyway. Except... if possible we should send a letter to USCIS telling them about these two sets of applications and then asking them to choose the one which is approvable (again, I was told so by the same lawyer).
BTW canadian_dream: heartiest conrgatulations on your green card approval, your posts on the multiple filings issue have been very helpful.
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pappu
01-09 03:18 PM
pappu,
when talking to my friends about IV I have observed the following:
1) they prefer to "visit" the iv site to get a first hand look at what IV is about
2) they tend to classify IV as a discussion forum rather than a movement - a couple of people have said that they did not notice any difference between IV and the other boards. they bookmark it and come back only when they have a burning question.
3) once i tell them about IV's achievements they do seem interested but most appear to be afraid (or lazy?) in actively joining - either monetarily or otherwise.
4) some people do not even want to post questions actively - instead ask me the question and expect me to post the question/ help them out with a response (not sure why - privacy issues?) - have others seen this also?
I don't know how to convince the lazy ones - but for the others, would it make sense to restructure the site a little bit so that the home page is a little less noisy and has only information about the underlying movement , IV's achievements and then has a link to the the message board (as a feature of IV rather than it defining IV)?
Good suggestions. Thanks. We do need ideas keep them coming.
I do have a difference of opinion here. Most people come for their questions and discussions rather than advocacy everyday. Thus forums are important. We already have lot of space allocated for what IV is on the homepage.
Pls suggest what changes you think will get us more visibility and confidence with new members.
when talking to my friends about IV I have observed the following:
1) they prefer to "visit" the iv site to get a first hand look at what IV is about
2) they tend to classify IV as a discussion forum rather than a movement - a couple of people have said that they did not notice any difference between IV and the other boards. they bookmark it and come back only when they have a burning question.
3) once i tell them about IV's achievements they do seem interested but most appear to be afraid (or lazy?) in actively joining - either monetarily or otherwise.
4) some people do not even want to post questions actively - instead ask me the question and expect me to post the question/ help them out with a response (not sure why - privacy issues?) - have others seen this also?
I don't know how to convince the lazy ones - but for the others, would it make sense to restructure the site a little bit so that the home page is a little less noisy and has only information about the underlying movement , IV's achievements and then has a link to the the message board (as a feature of IV rather than it defining IV)?
Good suggestions. Thanks. We do need ideas keep them coming.
I do have a difference of opinion here. Most people come for their questions and discussions rather than advocacy everyday. Thus forums are important. We already have lot of space allocated for what IV is on the homepage.
Pls suggest what changes you think will get us more visibility and confidence with new members.
Macaca
12-05 05:16 PM
AMY GOODMAN: OK, Lou, let�s talk about some of the guests you�ve had on your show.
LOU DOBBS: Sure.
AMY GOODMAN: For example, Barbara Coe, leader of the California Coalition for Immigration Reform,�
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AMY GOODMAN: I am going to look at the�as you said, you actually felt that the Southern Poverty Law Center was so important�
LOU DOBBS: It�s a joke.
AMY GOODMAN: �in getting information�
LOU DOBBS: It�s a joke.
AMY GOODMAN: �that you sent your producers down there to get information so that you wouldn�t represent hate groups on the air.
LOU DOBBS: In their responses, they�re nothing but a fundraising organization�
AMY GOODMAN: So let me�
LOU DOBBS: �and they�re indulging in pure BS.
AMY GOODMAN: OK. Now, let me just�
LOU DOBBS: And so are you, when you quote them.
AMY GOODMAN: Let me just talk about some of the guests that you have had on�
LOU DOBBS: Sure. They�re not guests.
AMY GOODMAN: �or quoted on the show.
LOU DOBBS: Barbara Coe was never a guest.
AMY GOODMAN: No. She was quoted on the show�
LOU DOBBS: That�s different.
AMY GOODMAN: �bitterly attacking Home Depot for betraying Americans, apparently because Hispanic day laborers often gather in front of the store looking for work. Not mentioned were her group, listed by the Southern Poverty Leadership Council as a hate group, or the fact that she routinely refers to Mexicans as �savages.� Coe recently described herself as a member of the Council of Conservative Citizens, the white pride group formed from the remnants�
LOU DOBBS: What year was that?
AMY GOODMAN: �of the segregationist White Citizens� Council of the �50s and �60s,�
LOU DOBBS: What year was she�
AMY GOODMAN: �which Thurgood Marshall called the �Uptown Klan.�
LOU DOBBS: My god, Amy, what year was that on our broadcast? What year?
AMY GOODMAN: Not clear. You can tell me what year was it on your broadcast.
LOU DOBBS: Well, actually, I can, but it was years ago. And it was before we knew what the heck was going on.
AMY GOODMAN: I�m going to talk about a few other people.
LOU DOBBS: Sure.
AMY GOODMAN: Glenn Spencer, head of the anti-immigration American Patrol, has been interviewed at least twice on the show in 2004, maybe many more times after�I don�t know. Spencer�s website is jammed with anti-Mexican vitriol. He pushes the idea the Mexican government is involved in a secret plot to take over the Southwest�
LOU DOBBS: OK.
AMY GOODMAN: �facts never mentioned on your show. His group is regarded as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League.
LOU DOBBS: You know, well, I really don�t care what�
AMY GOODMAN: Spencer has spoken at least twice to the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens.
LOU DOBBS: You know, I got to be honest with you. I have no knowledge of this fellow. I have no idea�and you�re not telling me when he was on the broadcast.
AMY GOODMAN: You had him on the show. I said�
LOU DOBBS: No, I did not have him on the show. He was quoted�
AMY GOODMAN: January 7th�
LOU DOBBS: He was either quoted in a piece�
AMY GOODMAN: No, no, no. No, no, Lou. On January 7, 2004, and June 4, 2004�
LOU DOBBS: Ah!
AMY GOODMAN: �he was interviewed on your broadcast.
LOU DOBBS: He was not on our broadcast. He may have been in a field report. He was not on our broadcast. And, Amy, let me ask you a question: have you checked to see how many guests we�ve had on our show in the course of�what is that?�
AMY GOODMAN: You have had many.
LOU DOBBS: �three-and-a-half years? No, I mean�
AMY GOODMAN: You have had many.
LOU DOBBS: �let�s get a number. What do you think? Why are you focusing on two or three?
AMY GOODMAN: I can go on and on.
LOU DOBBS: OK, keep going. How many?
AMY GOODMAN: But I think the important point here�
LOU DOBBS: Give us a total. Give us a total of the number of guests you object to.
AMY GOODMAN: Lou, I just want to say something here. You just said to Juan, can�t he take a joke, when you talk about the incursion, Mexico taking over the United States. Yet, it is a growing theme. It is a continuing thread in your broadcast. This guy, Glenn Spencer, whether he said this on your show or not, Dobbs has not�
LOU DOBBS: Oh, no, no.
AMY GOODMAN: Just one second�has not mentioned his ties to American�
LOU DOBBS: Now I�m supposed to be�
AMY GOODMAN: Yes, you have to know who�
LOU DOBBS: I�m supposed to be responsible for what he says off my broadcast?
AMY GOODMAN: No. You should know that he was tied to American Renaissance, the group that says blacks are genetically inferior to whites. You didn�t report those ties or mention Spencer�s�
LOU DOBBS: Do you think we knew it?
AMY GOODMAN: �more wild-eyed contentions�
LOU DOBBS: Do you think we knew it?
AMY GOODMAN: �such as his�
LOU DOBBS: Amy, do you really think we knew it?
AMY GOODMAN: Just listen to this�such as his prediction�
LOU DOBBS: Do you really believe we knew that?
AMY GOODMAN: �that thousands will die in a supposedly forthcoming Mexican invasion.
LOU DOBBS: Oh, come on! You�re giving Glenn Spencer and other detestable people who would make such comments about more air time than anybody.
AMY GOODMAN: Well, Lou�
LOU DOBBS: You have just given him more air�
AMY GOODMAN: But, Lou�
LOU DOBBS: �than I would have ever, and I�
AMY GOODMAN: But, Lou, let me make a final point.
LOU DOBBS: Go back and look at the quotes.
AMY GOODMAN: Let me make a final point.
LOU DOBBS: Who�s giving him more air time? You.
AMY GOODMAN: Your colleague, Wolf Blitzer�
LOU DOBBS: Yeah?
AMY GOODMAN: �on the other hand, also featured Spencer on his own show, but reported Mexico�s official response that SPLC, Southern Poverty Leadership Council�s hate group designation, said that he was a member of a hate group, as designated by the Southern Poverty Law Center. So we�re not�
LOU DOBBS: What year was that?
AMY GOODMAN: What I�m saying is that Wolf�
LOU DOBBS: What year was Wolf Blitzer?
AMY GOODMAN: �Blitzer identified him; you did not.
LOU DOBBS: What year? What year?
AMY GOODMAN: Well, I just know when you had him on your show, and you may have had him on since then.
LOU DOBBS: But do you know when Wolf Blitzer had him on?
AMY GOODMAN: Well, soon after that, I suppose. I don�t know.
LOU DOBBS: OK. After we found out that there was a problem.
AMY GOODMAN: But you know what the fact is? I don�t know. And I admit when I don�t know. And I try to get my facts straight.
LOU DOBBS: Sure. Sure. So do we.
LOU DOBBS: Sure.
AMY GOODMAN: For example, Barbara Coe, leader of the California Coalition for Immigration Reform,�
LOU DOBBS: She�s not a guest. You�re reading from the Southern Poverty Law Center�
AMY GOODMAN: �quoted�just one second�
LOU DOBBS: She was not a guest.
AMY GOODMAN: I am going to look at the�as you said, you actually felt that the Southern Poverty Law Center was so important�
LOU DOBBS: It�s a joke.
AMY GOODMAN: �in getting information�
LOU DOBBS: It�s a joke.
AMY GOODMAN: �that you sent your producers down there to get information so that you wouldn�t represent hate groups on the air.
LOU DOBBS: In their responses, they�re nothing but a fundraising organization�
AMY GOODMAN: So let me�
LOU DOBBS: �and they�re indulging in pure BS.
AMY GOODMAN: OK. Now, let me just�
LOU DOBBS: And so are you, when you quote them.
AMY GOODMAN: Let me just talk about some of the guests that you have had on�
LOU DOBBS: Sure. They�re not guests.
AMY GOODMAN: �or quoted on the show.
LOU DOBBS: Barbara Coe was never a guest.
AMY GOODMAN: No. She was quoted on the show�
LOU DOBBS: That�s different.
AMY GOODMAN: �bitterly attacking Home Depot for betraying Americans, apparently because Hispanic day laborers often gather in front of the store looking for work. Not mentioned were her group, listed by the Southern Poverty Leadership Council as a hate group, or the fact that she routinely refers to Mexicans as �savages.� Coe recently described herself as a member of the Council of Conservative Citizens, the white pride group formed from the remnants�
LOU DOBBS: What year was that?
AMY GOODMAN: �of the segregationist White Citizens� Council of the �50s and �60s,�
LOU DOBBS: What year was she�
AMY GOODMAN: �which Thurgood Marshall called the �Uptown Klan.�
LOU DOBBS: My god, Amy, what year was that on our broadcast? What year?
AMY GOODMAN: Not clear. You can tell me what year was it on your broadcast.
LOU DOBBS: Well, actually, I can, but it was years ago. And it was before we knew what the heck was going on.
AMY GOODMAN: I�m going to talk about a few other people.
LOU DOBBS: Sure.
AMY GOODMAN: Glenn Spencer, head of the anti-immigration American Patrol, has been interviewed at least twice on the show in 2004, maybe many more times after�I don�t know. Spencer�s website is jammed with anti-Mexican vitriol. He pushes the idea the Mexican government is involved in a secret plot to take over the Southwest�
LOU DOBBS: OK.
AMY GOODMAN: �facts never mentioned on your show. His group is regarded as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League.
LOU DOBBS: You know, well, I really don�t care what�
AMY GOODMAN: Spencer has spoken at least twice to the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens.
LOU DOBBS: You know, I got to be honest with you. I have no knowledge of this fellow. I have no idea�and you�re not telling me when he was on the broadcast.
AMY GOODMAN: You had him on the show. I said�
LOU DOBBS: No, I did not have him on the show. He was quoted�
AMY GOODMAN: January 7th�
LOU DOBBS: He was either quoted in a piece�
AMY GOODMAN: No, no, no. No, no, Lou. On January 7, 2004, and June 4, 2004�
LOU DOBBS: Ah!
AMY GOODMAN: �he was interviewed on your broadcast.
LOU DOBBS: He was not on our broadcast. He may have been in a field report. He was not on our broadcast. And, Amy, let me ask you a question: have you checked to see how many guests we�ve had on our show in the course of�what is that?�
AMY GOODMAN: You have had many.
LOU DOBBS: �three-and-a-half years? No, I mean�
AMY GOODMAN: You have had many.
LOU DOBBS: �let�s get a number. What do you think? Why are you focusing on two or three?
AMY GOODMAN: I can go on and on.
LOU DOBBS: OK, keep going. How many?
AMY GOODMAN: But I think the important point here�
LOU DOBBS: Give us a total. Give us a total of the number of guests you object to.
AMY GOODMAN: Lou, I just want to say something here. You just said to Juan, can�t he take a joke, when you talk about the incursion, Mexico taking over the United States. Yet, it is a growing theme. It is a continuing thread in your broadcast. This guy, Glenn Spencer, whether he said this on your show or not, Dobbs has not�
LOU DOBBS: Oh, no, no.
AMY GOODMAN: Just one second�has not mentioned his ties to American�
LOU DOBBS: Now I�m supposed to be�
AMY GOODMAN: Yes, you have to know who�
LOU DOBBS: I�m supposed to be responsible for what he says off my broadcast?
AMY GOODMAN: No. You should know that he was tied to American Renaissance, the group that says blacks are genetically inferior to whites. You didn�t report those ties or mention Spencer�s�
LOU DOBBS: Do you think we knew it?
AMY GOODMAN: �more wild-eyed contentions�
LOU DOBBS: Do you think we knew it?
AMY GOODMAN: �such as his�
LOU DOBBS: Amy, do you really think we knew it?
AMY GOODMAN: Just listen to this�such as his prediction�
LOU DOBBS: Do you really believe we knew that?
AMY GOODMAN: �that thousands will die in a supposedly forthcoming Mexican invasion.
LOU DOBBS: Oh, come on! You�re giving Glenn Spencer and other detestable people who would make such comments about more air time than anybody.
AMY GOODMAN: Well, Lou�
LOU DOBBS: You have just given him more air�
AMY GOODMAN: But, Lou�
LOU DOBBS: �than I would have ever, and I�
AMY GOODMAN: But, Lou, let me make a final point.
LOU DOBBS: Go back and look at the quotes.
AMY GOODMAN: Let me make a final point.
LOU DOBBS: Who�s giving him more air time? You.
AMY GOODMAN: Your colleague, Wolf Blitzer�
LOU DOBBS: Yeah?
AMY GOODMAN: �on the other hand, also featured Spencer on his own show, but reported Mexico�s official response that SPLC, Southern Poverty Leadership Council�s hate group designation, said that he was a member of a hate group, as designated by the Southern Poverty Law Center. So we�re not�
LOU DOBBS: What year was that?
AMY GOODMAN: What I�m saying is that Wolf�
LOU DOBBS: What year was Wolf Blitzer?
AMY GOODMAN: �Blitzer identified him; you did not.
LOU DOBBS: What year? What year?
AMY GOODMAN: Well, I just know when you had him on your show, and you may have had him on since then.
LOU DOBBS: But do you know when Wolf Blitzer had him on?
AMY GOODMAN: Well, soon after that, I suppose. I don�t know.
LOU DOBBS: OK. After we found out that there was a problem.
AMY GOODMAN: But you know what the fact is? I don�t know. And I admit when I don�t know. And I try to get my facts straight.
LOU DOBBS: Sure. Sure. So do we.
gapala
09-02 06:57 PM
mr whydidntufileurgc,
U completely understood me, my point was Vonage may start charging such as 1c per min after few months once they have got most of the new customers.
I am not talking abt 5000 min fineprint here.
yes I do have a job :)
This is not an offer but a plan... and there is an underlying agreement which is legally binding between vonage and customers. If they want to make a change to the plan, they will have to inform customers well in advance and customers have rights to agree/disagree with the changes to plan and may stay with them or opt out.. This is not so simple to just start charging one fine morning 1c per minute to existing customers..
There is a possibility that they may discontinue enrollment into world plan and stop taking in new customers.. But existing customers will get the benifit of this plan as long as there is no change in governing agreement and if there is, customers may opt out at the expense of service providers..
It seems you are confused with "Offers", something that dish and comcast does..where they offer low rate to get you in for 6 months with a 12 months contract and they bump up the rates after offer period.. you can see these changes in rates in fine print of the offer any way..
U completely understood me, my point was Vonage may start charging such as 1c per min after few months once they have got most of the new customers.
I am not talking abt 5000 min fineprint here.
yes I do have a job :)
This is not an offer but a plan... and there is an underlying agreement which is legally binding between vonage and customers. If they want to make a change to the plan, they will have to inform customers well in advance and customers have rights to agree/disagree with the changes to plan and may stay with them or opt out.. This is not so simple to just start charging one fine morning 1c per minute to existing customers..
There is a possibility that they may discontinue enrollment into world plan and stop taking in new customers.. But existing customers will get the benifit of this plan as long as there is no change in governing agreement and if there is, customers may opt out at the expense of service providers..
It seems you are confused with "Offers", something that dish and comcast does..where they offer low rate to get you in for 6 months with a 12 months contract and they bump up the rates after offer period.. you can see these changes in rates in fine print of the offer any way..
